Everyday Erinyes #197

 Posted by at 6:50 am  Politics
Dec 212019
 

Experts in autocracies have pointed out that it is, unfortunately, easy to slip into normalizing the tyrant, hence it is important to hang on to outrage. These incidents which seem to call for the efforts of the Greek Furies (Erinyes) to come and deal with them will, I hope, help with that. As a reminder, though no one really knows how many there were supposed to be, the three names we have are Alecto, Megaera, and Tisiphone. These roughly translate as “unceasing,” “grudging,” and “vengeful destruction.”

Now that we have Articles of Impeachment, everyone will start speculating about the trial in the Senate, although it’s not now even 100% certain that there will be one at all. The Senate, of course, wants it fast so they can kill it fast. The House, of course, wants to be certain that this trial will be fair – and not a circus. Perhaps it wouldn’t hurt to look back at a previous trial, including a previous analogy of Senators as jurors.

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When a chief justice reminded senators in an impeachment trial that they were not jurors

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., fields questions from reporters about an impeachment trial in the Senate, Dec. 10, 2019.
AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite

Steven Lubet, Northwestern University

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell created a predictable stir when he told Fox News host Sean Hannity that he would structure the impending impeachment trial of President Donald Trump in “total coordination with the White House counsel’s office.” He added, “There will be no difference between the president’s position and our position as to how to handle this.”

This outright rejection of neutrality drew immediate protests from Democrats. Rep. Val Demings, D-Fla., who may well be one of the House impeachment managers in the Senate trial, called for McConnell’s recusal, saying “No court in the country would allow a member of the jury to also serve as the accused’s defense attorney.”

House Judiciary Committee Chair Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., likewise slammed “the foreman of the jury” for saying he would “work hand and glove with the defense attorney.”

Demings and Nadler made a valid point, but they used the wrong analogy. Senators at an impeachment trial are not the equivalent of a jury and they are not held to a juror’s standard of neutrality.

President Trump returns to the White House from a trip to Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., Dec. 8, 2019.
AP/J. Scott Applewhite

Harkin’s objection

The principle, that senators are not jurors in the traditional sense, was well established at the outset of the 1999 impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton.

Tasked with delivering an opening statement for the House managers – who present the House’s case to the Senate – Rep. Robert Barr, R-Ga., reminded the senators of Clinton’s tendency to “nitpick” over details or “parse a specific word or phrase of testimony.” To Barr, the conclusion was obvious: “We urge you, the distinguished jurors in this case, not to be fooled.”

That was the moment Sen. Tom Harkin, an Iowa Democrat, had been waiting for.

Mr. Chief Justice,” he said, addressing William Rehnquist, who was presiding over the trial, “I object to the use and the continued use of the word ‘jurors’ when referring to the Senate.”

Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, raised a crucial point about senators’ roles in the impeachment trial of President Clinton in 1999.
AP/Joe Marquette

Harkin had prepared well, basing his argument on the text of the Constitution, the Federalist Papers and the rules of the Senate itself.

He explained that “the framers of the Constitution meant us, the Senate, to be something other than a jury.”

Instead, Harkin continued, “What we do here today does not just decide the fate of one man. … Future generations will look back on this trial not just to find out what happened, but to try to decide what principles governed our actions.”

Chief justice weighs in

The chief justice sustained the objection.

“The Senate is not simply a jury,” he ruled. “It is a court in this case.”

Rehnquist thus admonished the House managers “to refrain from referring to the Senators as jurors.” For the balance of the trial, they were called “triers of law and fact.”

Rehnquist and Harkin got it right. Article III of the Constitution provides that “Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury,” and for good reasons.

Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, shown in this video image, presides in the impeachment trial of President Clinton on the Senate floor, Feb. 8, 1999, in Washington.
AP Photo/APTN)

In an ordinary trial, the jury’s role is generally limited to fact-finding, while the judge determines the scope and application of the law. In an impeachment trial, however, the Senate itself has the “sole power” to decide every issue.

Recognizing the Senate’s all-encompassing responsibility, and his own limited role, Chief Justice Rehnquist referred to himself throughout the proceeding only as “the Chair.”

As the U.S. Supreme Court has put it, impeachment presents a “political question,” in which all of the “authority is reposed in the Senate and nowhere else.”

Oath or affirmation required

McConnell, the Senate’s leader, has more leeway and far more power than any juror or even a jury foreperson.

The Constitution’s only procedural limitation is the requirement in Article I that the senators be placed under “oath or affirmation.”

Although the Constitution does not specify any particular wording (unlike the presidential oath, which is included word for word), the Senate adopted rules for impeachment trials in 1986 requiring each senator to affirm or swear to do “impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws.”

“Impartial justice” does not demand the enforced naiveté of jury service, which would be impossible in an impeachment trial. For example, the senators all have prior knowledge of at least some of the facts, and several of them are currently vying to run against Trump in 2020, while others are backing his reelection campaign.

But the Senate’s oath of impartiality clearly calls for at least some commitment to objectivity. Thus, the problem with McConnell’s announcement was not that he failed to behave like a juror.

Rather, he has declared an intention to disregard the Senate’s prescribed oath, which was fixed long ago by the very body that elected him its leader.

When Tom Harkin disclaimed a juror’s role at the Clinton trial, his purpose was not to affect the outcome of the case, but rather to underscore the full scope of the Senate’s decision-making responsibility. In contrast, Mitch McConnell appears to have boldly renounced open-mindedness itself on the impeachment court, whether as juror, judge or “trier of law and fact.”

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Steven Lubet, Williams Memorial Professor of Law, Northwestern University

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Alecto, Megaera, and Tisiphone, certainly Roberts is not Rehnquist, and that’s far from the only difference between then and now – or between now and when the Constitution was framed.  The framers were wise enough to foresee the possibility of a corrupt President.  They did not, however – how could they? – foresee the possibility of a corrupt President and a corrupt Senate at the same time.  If they had done so, they might have had some qualms at entrusting the Senate to be, not less than, but more than a simple jury.

When intelligent and knowledgeable people discuss things on the internet, the contents of those discussions reach the people responsible for acting in those areas, and things happen.  Perhaps we, especially with the help of the Furies, can help to create discussion of this subject all over the internet.  And then, things may happen.

The Furies and I will be back.

 

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  11 Responses to “Everyday Erinyes #197”

  1. Agreed. But that’s far from the only issue I have with these Articles and this process. In my judgment, Trump has committed far more serious High Crimes and Misdemeanors that the House spent countless time on from the Mueller report. Those should have been included. These are egregious but also the weakest case possible. They may end up doing more harm than good to Democratic prospects next fall. Though the Democrats themselves are doing a bang up job of that. I am neither a Biden nor Sanders supporter. And I think Elizabeth Warren has gone too far to be electable. I don’t want another old white man. I just don’t.
    I think my Senator, Amy Klobuchar far too centrist for my taste but at this point she is beginning to look like the best choice – for me. I think both Biden and Sanders can beat Trump but that just puts us back into the status quo of old white men making decisions I won’t agree with. Obama was right this week in what he said. I wish the nation paid attention to that and acted on it. Our real hope now lies in Congressional races yielding younger, progressive female leadership even if we have to wait until 2024 for a female president. Only the Democrats could have botched this so badly. Too bad there’s no prize for incompetence, they’d win that easily.

    • I actually think the Democrats have done quite well with their work on this impeachment.  Nothing is wrong with “Keep it simple, stupid” when those one is attempting to convince are stupid (not that I would tell Republicans and/or voters that.)  I really don’t care whether he is impeach for one charge or a thousand and one charges.  I do, however, want him indicted, convicted, and imprisoned on as many charges as are feasible (if we tried to charge on every crime he has committed just since taking office, he would die before we finished investigating.

  2. Very well done, JD!!  I fully agree.  Since Senators hold so much more authority than ordinary jurors, the need for impartiality is far greater.  That’s why the need to ban Bought Bitch Moscow Grinch and his gnome from the pit, Lindsey Poo, is a must! 10

  3. Excellent post, and great information. 
    Agree with both gentlemen, (above) and quite frankly, can’t add anything to their comments. 
    Thanks, Joanne and Furies for this. 

  4. A very good presentation, Joanne.  I had not known of the role of an impeachment manager or that the senators are not, actually, ,in effect, jurors.  But, you refer to “intelligent and knowledgable” people spreading information around.  Can the Furies create “intelligent and knowledgable,” and uncorrupted senators?  
    Gene, I hear you, and have wished there would be more articles against the clown, but suspect that the Dems wanted something simple.  As I understand it”Bribery” is literally listed in the constitution’s writings about impeachment, and while I, in any case, did not hear anyone in the House use the word, that is exactly what Dumpty tried to, and in his own words, as has been pointed out how many times? 

    • Well. Mitch, when I referred to “intelligent and knowledgeable people” I meant people like you and me – and like John Dean and Laurence Tribe -both of whom encouraged not sending the Articles over immediately and did so publicly as well as privately,which familiarized the idea among us commenters (and those at Daily Kos, and all the sites that use Disqus for comments, and Democratic Underground, and others both known and unknown to me).  Not to mention Twitter users, and Facebook users, who, if they are already enmired there, may as well use that to do some good.  And all the people who draft petitions, upload and publicize them, and send the results to the petitionees.

  5. Great information. I like the way your presented it. 
    I agree with Gene that tRump has done so much more serious High Crimes and Misdemeanors.  But like you mentioned that you don’t care whether he is impeach for one charge or a thousand and one charges. 
    I also just want to see the creep removed from his post. Our country has suffered enough.
    I just pray that these R’s senators like mItch the bi*ch are banned, because we know damn well they are going to protect their leader.
    Thanks Joanne

  6. I suspect we’re all extremely curious WRT how Roberts will handle the Senate trial.   

    While he’s a dyed-in-the-wool, rock-ribbed right-winger – it seems to me that he’s actually MUCH more concerned w/ his Court’s legacy.  He appears to fear that it will be branded as an extremely partisan Court (looking at you Thomas, Alito, Kavanaugh, etc. …) and actually does NOT want that stigma.

    Time will tell.

    • You read Roberts exactly the way I read him – and I hope we are both correct. We have been so astonished by so many people acting apparently out of character (though probably not really) in the last few years that I’m starting to be very tentative in mu judgments.

  7. I hark from a country that doesn’t make use of a jury its trials, only of a court, so the distinction between an impartial jury and an impartial judge was a bit lost on me when impartiality is so clearly the keyword here. The eye-opener here for me was the fact that, as a court, the senators have the power to do darn well as they please and the Chief Justice is little more than the chairman. It all depends on how serious Roberts takes not only their vows of impartiality but also his own and how much room to manoeuvre the position of chairman allows him.

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