Jan 182010
 

Here are the results of the latest poll:

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And here are your comments:

From teabag this! on January 11, 2010 at 9:39 am.

 

poll should have included racist Democrat politicians like Harry Reid and Bill "bring me my coffee" Clinton

 

From Jo on January 9, 2010 at 8:51 pm

 

Torture is not acceptable at any time, to anyone, or by anyone. Unless of course the form of torture is locking someone in a room with CDs of Susan Boyle playing over … and over … and over …

 

From Anon Paranoid on January 7, 2010 at 5:12 pm.

 

I’m against torture, however having said that I say waterboard all republicans, teabaggers, American Christian Taliban Terrorists and the whole previous administration with extra waterboarding for them.

After all according to Republicans as voiced by Dick Heinrich Himmler Cheney’s terrorist daughter Liz, waterboarding is not torture so waterboard her at least 6 times during a twenty four hour period.

Oh, I almost forgot Sean Hannity the coward who said he would be waterboarded for our troops and turned to show us the yellow streak down his back, waterboard him 6 times a day for a week then ask him if he was tortured.

God Bless.

 

From Linda on January 6 on January 6, 2010 at 3:35 pm.

 

I am not for torture of anyone, anywhere anytime. Today’s governmetal decisions are at best disturbing. On January 1, 2009, any adult receiving over $248.00 per month in medicaid benefits is reportedly ineligible for medicaid insurance coverage according to the a worker that approves medicaid coverage for adults. Now, follow that decision up with "Everyone will purchase insurance or risk being fined", and I have a COMMON SENSE QUESTION. Is is a prerequisite that the people who serve themselves, excuse me, us in Washington must sign an affidavit that they do not possess one shred of COMMON SENSE prior to running for the Senate or Congress. Additionally, IS ANYONE BUT ME TIRED OF THE DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN GULF!! After all, I am an AMERICAN, not a republican or a democrat. HANG THE PARTIES- WHERE IS JUSTICE, HONESTY, AND EQUALITY FOR ALL IN OUR NATION.

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From Otis on January 4, 2010 at 7:46 pm

 

I voted ‘Other’ since I couldn’t have multiple choices.

I think that GOP Leg., teabaggers, FOX news commentators, the annoying evangelicals, and anyone else that condoned, approved, and/or encouraged torture are first on the list.

I will include Wall Street CEOs on principle.

 

From Grung_e_Gene on January 4, 2010 at 1:17 pm

 

Torture is not acceptable.

 

From Annette on January 3, 2010 at 9:33 am

 

I voted nobody, because I believe we have to take the high road and stand on our convictions and our patriotism. If we lower ourselves to the standard of the idiot republican’s then we are no better than they are.

 

From TWM on January 3, 2010 at 6:08 am

 

Torture Wall Street CEO’s with a 75% tax on any earnings above $400,000 no matter where in the world they say they earned it 😀

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From Kevin Kelley on January 3, 2010 at 12:55 am

 

I had selected other before I had realized that there was an option for nobody, but regardless, I would have to say that although there are numerous groups that I believe could benefit from a good torture, such as the tea party protesters, or those who rile them up, like Glenn Beck, I would have to take the high road and not torture any of them.

While they may feel it is okay to violate basic human rights for the benefit of their comfort level, I have principles and despite not being religious, I feel I have a spirituality that the religious right claim they have…

Even Pope John Paul II forgave his attempted assassin. While I am not saying any person should be absolved of their sins, I do believe it is important to not be distracted by the temporary.

 

From Lisa G. on January 2, 2010 at 7:01 pm

 

I voted for GOP Legislators – because they think it’s ok to do to everyone else. Why should we reserve all that fun for Gitmo or other prisoners? Let’s spread a little of that around. Besides, they’re not doing anything in the Congress anyway but obstructing decent legislation so they have plenty of time on their hands. I’ll throw the DINOs in there as well, because they are essentially useless as well. They can even invite their benefactors (Big Oil, Big Pharma, Ins. Cos., Military Contractors/MIC, and anyone else. We’ll hold it at that Supermax prison where they’re gonna put the Gitmo prisoners. It’ll be like a big, fun party. Water-boarding for everyone. Bush and Cheney get to go first though.  😉

Nobody was the clear winner here.  A few had fun with this, voting and commenting tongue-in-cheek, but all kidding aside, there is only one right answer.  It is never acceptable to torture.

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A Brief Note on Rules

 Posted by at 3:56 am  Blog News, Personal
Jan 072010
 

troll-web Yesterday I banned an individual from commenting here at Politics Plus.  This is the first time I have found that necessary in this nor the previous incarnation of this blog.  The reason was quite simple.  The individual refused to abide by the rules here.  I have long said that Politics Plus has only one rule.  In truth, it has two.  The second is Thou shalt not SPAM!  I don’t really count that one, because that’s a universal rule, virtually everywhere.

The one rule is in our header, where everyone can see it.  All points of view are welcome, but personal attacks against me or anyone who comments here are forbidden. Trading insults never changes anyone’s mind.  This is not difficult.  It simply means that we treat each other with respect.  If you want to post an insult to a public figure, say Bush, that’s OK.  I don’t like Bush either.  If you want to insult Jeff Merkley, whom I fully support and worked to elect, that’s OK too.  I defend your right to your opinion.  But, even if Traitor Joe LIEberman ever posts a comment here (God forbid!), please treat him with respect in your replies.

The individual I banned insulted another commenter.  Then he insulted the entire blog.  I deleted his offending comments, and warned him.  He protested that because the commenter and I had insulted public figures, he was being treated unfairly and insulted me .  He ignored his warning, and I will delete all future comments from him.  He then commented that he was being banned only because he disagrees with me.  If he knew anything about this blog, he would know that these pages have multiple comments from people disagreeing with me from all sides of the political spectrum.  Sometimes, they even inspire me to change my mind.  The thread I linked is an excellent example, because it contains a disagreement that does violate the rule and one that does not.

So please don’t feed the trolls.  They love drama, and if you get into an insult war with them, that’s exactly what they want.  By all means, refute their arguments, but please don’t return their insults in kind.  A few years back, a troll insulted another blogger, whom I considered a friend.  He responded with insults back.  The two had quite a little flame war.  When I returned and found it, to be fair I had to delete the insulting comments from both and warn both.  My friend deleted PP from his blogroll and had not been back since.  He has also refused to reply to me on his and other blogs ever since.

I don’t want to lose any more friends.  So please, demonstrate to trolls that you are better than they are by replying to them with respect.  Leave the insults for me.  I will deal with them.  OK?

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Jan 062010
 

This week I’ve been swamped.  Yesterday the morning was taken up by a doctor appointment and the afternoon with a visit from my oxygen company doing tests on me.  I barely managed to reply to comments and only visited one blog.  Today is my volunteer day with a therapy group for former prisoners.  I should get some visiting done tomorrow.
This morning I deleted a couple comments from a right winger who ignored the blog’s only rule, that we treat each other with respect, regardless of views.  I ask you all to use restraint in replying to such individuals, and reply to them respectfully.  Do not respond to them in kind.  I will deal with it as soon as I am able.
Please be patient with me.
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Dec 272009
 

Here are the results from the GOP Christmas Present Poll.

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And here are your comments:

From Jack Jodell on December 19, 2009 at 10:06 am.

 

They should all get enemas of boiling water!

 

From Lisa G. in reply to Jack Jodell on December 19, 2009 at 12:18 pm.

 

I really like this, but, I’m voting for radio active isotopes. Not only would that hurt like hell, but it would eventually make them really sick. Or boiling mercury; I’m sure we can find a way to make that happen.

 

From Infidel753 in reply to Lisa G. on December 23, 2009 at 4:11 pm.

 

How about boiling radioactive hydrochloric acid?

 

From Lisa G. in reply to Infidel753 on December 26, 2009 at 12:39 pm

 

I like that even better!

From Luckyjoe on December 18, 2009 at 8:20 am

 

A sweeping victory in 2010 over the progressive/marxists. And though you don’t believe in Christianity I will wish you all a very Merry Christmas, but not a Happy New Year as we all know that in 2010 the tea party candidates will be taking out the progressive trash. The stars are no longer aligned for your kind. Too much too fast has spelled your demise. It couldn’t have happened to a bigger bunch of idiots.

 

From Judi P in reply to Luckyjoe on December 19, 2009 at 11:28 am

 

You’ve got to be kidding! I see you get your facts from FOX. And if you are an example of a Christian, I’m glad I don’t attend the S. Baptist Church any longer. Typical RW response is to resort to name calling, threats and joining a tea party. God have mercy on YOUR soul.

 

From Diamond, Johnny Diamond in reply to Luckyjoe on December 18, 2009 at 11:01 am

 

Good job . Couldn’t have said it better .

Thank you. And let’s hope it’s one term for the first muslim born marxist pres.

 

From Lisa G. in reply to Diamond, Johnny Diamond on December 18, 2009 at 8:45 pm.  

 

Keep listening to your God Rush Limbaugh and watching Faux News. Your breed will be dying out soon. Merry Christmas!

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From Russ M on December 18, 2009 at 12:49 am

 

Letters from their constituents demanding a public option.

 

From TomCat on December 17, 2009 at 4:41 am.

 

Hunting trips with Dead-eye Dick Cheney

 

From Lisa G. on December 16, 2009 at 5:56 pm

 

Preferably to a country that they can’t return from in Africa. And Lieberman must go with them. I hear Somalia (Mogadishu is supposedly like the Paris of Africa) is really nice this time of year. Merry Christmas assholes.

 

From Infidel753 on December 16, 2009 at 1:30 pm.

 

I voted for coal, since these guys love fossil fuel so much.

 

From Punky Penny on December 16, 2009 at 1:10 pm

 

Consciences

 

From rjs on December 16, 2009 at 12:27 pm

 

how about givin them lieberman?

 

From TomCat in reply to rjs on December 17, 2009 at 4:34 am

 

Don’t they already have LIEberman?

 

Permanent vacations was the clear winner here.  This poll was intended to be humorous, and the off the wall responses were tongue-in-cheek, except for the diatribe from a member of the rabid right.

 

Do you care to discuss your vote.  My vote (already in a comment) was for hunting trips with Dead-eye.  I chose that, because I hoped it would get a laugh.

 

To finish off the year, there is a new poll on the light side, including a couple answers to please visitors from the GOP.  Enjoy!

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Poll Results – 12/16/2009

 Posted by at 3:02 am  Blog News
Dec 162009
 

Here are the results of the first December poll.

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And here are your comments:

Showing comments 16 of 6.

 

From rjs on December 9, 2009 at 5:07 pm

 

you dont have an answer in your poll suitable for me; how about an enraged and sickened catagory?

 

From Rich C. on December 7, 2009 at 9:50 pm.

 

I would like to know any other option .. Talk to them??? … yea right!!!! He should have sent more.

 

From Teri S on December 6, 2009 at 9:10 am.

 

We have been screwed. It’s all been a total sham especially for those of us who voted for him.

 

From Lisa G. on December 3, 2009 at 4:47 am.

 

Pretty hacked off. I knew he was gonna do it, but I don’t have to like it.

 

From TWM on December 2, 2009 at 5:12 am.

 

The question of satisfaction is premature and would be better posed in 90 days.

 

From Lisa G. in reply to TWM on December 4, 2009 at 12:06 pm

 

No, he asked about the decision, not the results. It’s perfectly reasonable to ask about the decision now.

 

Very dissatisfied was the clear winner.

Do you care to discuss your vote?  I voted somewhat dissatisfied.  I could not justify very dissatisfied, because I voted for him knowing that he planned to escalate.  However, the revelation of the extent of corruption in the regime of the Bush/GOP puppet Karzai, even to the extent of a GOP style election theft, changed the circumstances, and I believe Obama should have adapted his position on that basis.

The new poll is quite a bit lighter.  Enjoy!

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Dec 152009
 

Yesterday I caught up on comments here and visits to other blogs.  I hope to stay caught up today.  I’ll be swapping out the poll sometime this afternoon, so if you haven’t voted yet, please do.

Today’s Jig Zone Puzzle took me 4:15.  To do it, Click Here.  How did you do?

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Dec 082009
 

In less than a month we will complete the warmest decade in recorded history.

glacier It dawned with the warmest winter on record in the United States. And when the sun sets this New Year’s Eve, the decade of the 2000s will end as the warmest ever on global temperature charts.

Warmer still, scientists say, lies ahead.

Through 10 years of global boom and bust, of breakneck change around the planet, of terrorism, war and division, all people everywhere under that warming sun faced one threat together: the buildup of greenhouse gases, the rise in temperatures, the danger of a shifting climate, of drought, weather extremes and encroaching seas, of untold damage to the world humanity has created for itself over millennia.

As the decade neared its close, the U.N. gathered presidents and premiers of almost 100 nations for a "climate summit" to take united action, to sharply cut back the burning of coal and other fossil fuels.

Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told them they had "a powerful opportunity to get on the right side of history" at a year-ending climate conference in Copenhagen.

Once again, however, disunity might keep the world’s nations on this side of making historic decisions.

"Deep down, we know that you are not really listening," the Maldives’ Mohamed Nasheed told fellow presidents at September’s summit.

Nasheed’s tiny homeland, a sprinkling of low-lying islands in the Indian Ocean, will be one of the earliest victims of seas rising from heat expansion and melting glaciers. On remote islets of Papua New Guinea, on Pacific atolls, on bleak Arctic shores, other coastal peoples in the 2000s were already making plans, packing up, seeking shelter.

The warming seas were growing more acid, too, from absorbing carbon dioxide, the biggest greenhouse gas in an overloaded atmosphere. Together, warmer waters and acidity will kill coral reefs and imperil other marine life – from plankton at the bottom of the food chain, to starfish and crabs, mussels and sea urchins.

Over the decade’s first nine years, global temperatures averaged 0.6 degrees Celsius (1.1 degrees F) higher than the 1951-1980 average, NASA reported. And temperatures rose faster in the far north than anyplace else on Earth.

The decade’s final three summers melted Arctic sea ice more than ever before in modern times. Greenland’s gargantuan ice cap was pouring 3 percent more meltwater into the sea each year. Every summer’s thaw reached deeper into the Arctic permafrost, threatening to unlock vast amounts of methane, a global-warming gas.

Less ice meant less sunlight reflected, more heat absorbed by the Earth. More methane escaping the tundra meant more warming, more thawing, more methane released.

At the bottom of the world, late in the decade, International Polar Year research found that Antarctica, too, was warming. Floating ice shelves fringing its coast weakened, some breaking away, allowing the glaciers behind them to push ice faster into the rising oceans.

On six continents the glaciers retreated through the 2000s, shrinking future water sources for countless millions of Indians, Chinese, South Americans. The great lakes of Africa were shrinking, too, from higher temperatures, evaporation and drought. Across the temperate zones, flowers bloomed earlier, lakes froze later, bark beetles bored their destructive way northward through warmer forests. In the Arctic, surprised Eskimos spotted the red breasts of southern robins… [emphasis added]

Inserted from <Common Dreams>

Up until this year, the US has been chief among the deniers, but at last, there’s a thaw at EPA.

greenhouse-gases After years of denial, suppression, and delay, the United States government has finally officially recognized that greenhouse gases are dangerous pollutants under the Clean Air Act. The Obama administration has slowly worked on the decision, first sent to the White House by the Environmental Protection Agency in March, then opened for months of public comment through the summer. Less than an hour after the United Nations Climate Change Conference completed its opening day in Copenhagen, Denmark, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson made the “significant climate announcement” at 1:15 pm that global warming pollution endangers the health and welfare of the American public:

This administration will not ignore science or the law any longer, nor will we avoid the responsibility we owe to our children and our grandchildren. Today, I’m proud to announce that EPA has finalized its endangerment finding on greenhouse gas pollution and is now authorized and obligated to make reasonable efforts to reduce greenhouse pollutants under the Clean Air Act.

In 1992, the United States signed an international treaty to “prevent dangerous human-induced interference with the climate system” from greenhouse gases. Seventeen years later, after the continued accumulation of greenhouse gases have decimated the world’s glaciers and Arctic ice cap, acidified the oceans, intensified hurricanes and droughts, increased smog and wildfires, and driven species to extinction, the Barack Obama administration is recognizing its legal obligation to begin regulating this deadly threat… [emphasis original]

Inserted from <Think Progress>

After such a radical turnaround, have you ever wondered what happened to the science-haters from the Bush/GOP EPA?  Here’s Rachel with the answer:

 

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For eight years we had the fox running the henhouse.  While Obama is in Copenhagen, I hope he will endorse a treaty that places strict limits on greenhouse gas emissions.  Let the Republicans scream.  They will scream no matter what he does, so he might as well do it right.  When the Republicans fight ratification, let them bear the shame.

Off topic, a reader was kind enough to inform me that the videos here were overrunning their boundaries.  I has actually just started making them larger than the default, because that looked good on my screen, which is 1280 x 800.  Today I cut back to the default.  Are either this video ore the one in the previous article overrunning their boundaries for you now?  Thanks for the help.

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Dec 022009
 

Here are the results of the Afghanistan poll.

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Withdraw all troops immediately was the clear winner, with Reduce troops without supporting Karzai was second.

Here are your comments:

From T on November 25, 2009 at 11:10 am.  

I said other and my other is maybe we should not only get the hell out of their before more die, but also before we allow another president to bring us to war we impeach him first.

 

From Miss Welby on November 25, 2009 at 9:21 am 

President Obama should take the corageous decision to unilaterally denounce the international conventions on drugs for them to be legalised and terrorists will find it much more difficult to self-finance. It would be a major blow to al Quaeda and Afghani opium farmers will live peacefully on their trade, not to mention the benefits for drug addicts no longer forced to hide and commit crimes in our western cities

 

From Oso on November 24, 2009 at 5:58 pm.  

We’re gonna be forced out eventually.Sooner we’re out,sooner the Afghanis can get back to trying to build a country.

We could have left them alone in the late 70’s when their socialist government cracked down on the druggies and fundamentalists and gave women the right to attend school and work.

We don’t give a damn if those poor people live or die,it’s geopolitics and posturing.

Pardon the chauvinism but Obama needs to be a man for once in his life and get out.

 

From C Payne on November 20, 2009 at 3:41 pm. 

We should make it clear to Karsai that if he does not stop supporting the corruption in his government and in his country popular opinion in Europe and the United States will force us to withdraw the US and NATO forces and cut off financial aid. The last President of Afghanistan was hung from a lamp post in Kabul. Our forces should be fighting to install a true democracy not suffering and dying to prop up a bunch of crooks.

 

From Lisa G. on November 19, 2009 at 4:05 pm. 

I said reduce troops and not support Karzai; he’s not the legitimate president in my view and him being installed by Bush doesn’t further my confidence in him. Leave some troops there for infrastructure building (God knows, those people need it) and goodwill, but make other nations help with that as well. Adding more troops there is just going to further piss off the Afghanis and frankly I don’t blame them. Outside of Kabul (and part of Kabul, truthfully) is a lawless region of tribes and I don’t see that changing much. Let them people (Afghanis) decide what they want for themselves.

 

From Peter Anastasia in reply to Lisa G. on November 21, 2009 at 5:29 am. 

I certainly hope President Obama accepts your advice and Ambassador Eikenberry’s when he finally arrives at his decision whether to support Gen. MacChrystal’s surge or not. It is right on!

 

 

From Lisa G. in reply to Peter Anastasia on November 28, 2009 at 9:08 pm 

Thanks Peter! I’ll just give O a call on his private line, let him know that you and I agree, and enough with this analysis paralysis! What do those damned generals know anyway!

There was another poll within this poll on whether ot not to support Karzai.  15 for, 63 against.

I voted to reduce troops without supporting Karzai, because I see the need to coordinate withdrawal with our allies.  Do you care to discuss your vote>

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