{"id":57899,"date":"2025-10-30T06:00:55","date_gmt":"2025-10-30T13:00:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/?p=57899"},"modified":"2025-10-29T20:44:57","modified_gmt":"2025-10-30T03:44:57","slug":"open-thread-october-30-2025","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/2025\/10\/30\/open-thread-october-30-2025\/","title":{"rendered":"Open Thread October 30 2025"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday, I was led by DU to this in <a href=\"https:\/\/lawandcrime.com\/high-profile\/judge-calls-out-pam-bondi-doj-for-talking-about-kilmar-abrego-garcia-case-outside-of-court\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Law and Crime<\/a>. Does anyone besides me think that a big factor in why their hatred is so ridiculously relentless is Chris Van Hollen? That they somehow think by persecuting Abrego Garcia so far past reason they are hurting &#8211; or at least thumbing their noses to &#8211; the Senator?<\/p>\n<p>Honestly, no one knows what the numbers are like on the unlawful order issue. But we know there are some on the right side. Here are two of them, <a href=\"https:\/\/archive.is\/QKcGb\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">courtesy of CBS<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I can&#8217;t link to just one section of the TPM Morning Memo &#8211; so I will just quote this:<br \/>\n<b>Some Counter-Trolling in Action?<\/b><br \/>\nTwo judges on the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals during oral arguments in a terrorism case on Friday wondered aloud if the standard the government was using for aiding and abetting a crime would have swept up President Trump\u2019s remarks in his infamous Ellipse speech on the morning of Jan. 6, 2021, Politico reports: \u201cWhat if a large group of people, angry at Congress, gathered on the Washington Mall, some of whom have firearms, and are known to have firearms, and a leader stood in front of them, here, right in front of them, not in another country, and said, \u2018Go down the street and fight like hell. I\u2019ll be there with you,\u2019\u201d said Judge Stephanie Thacker, an Obama appointee on the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals. \u201cTo me, it sounds the same. So, if what you\u2019re advocating is a crime, then what I just said is a crime \u2014 may be a crime,\u201d Thacker said.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/perfectunion.us\/trumps-corporate-colluders\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">More Perfect Union<\/a> doesn&#8217;t blow its own horn a lot &#8211; or, if it does, I don&#8217;t see it. But when it does &#8211; Katy, bar the door (yes, I&#8217;m old.) This is a report which on one level we all knew, but didn&#8217;t have receipts. Now we do.<\/p>\n<p>Guest video from Paul Lance. I don&#8217;t know who he is either, but this is highly accurate (assuming opinions can be accurate &#8211; I think they can.)<br \/>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/vlnipODsxBg?si=rn9kqK8DSe8rsrSg\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/3m1ZGhZ2UPo?si=U8XldYnYzlIPRTG7\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-57894\" src=\"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Dora.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"883\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Dora.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Dora-300x221.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Dora-1024x753.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Dora-150x110.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Dora-768x565.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday, I was led by DU to this in Law and Crime. Does anyone besides me think that a big factor in why their hatred is so ridiculously relentless is Chris Van Hollen? That they somehow think by persecuting Abrego Garcia so far past reason they are hurting &#8211; or at least thumbing their noses <a href='https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/2025\/10\/30\/open-thread-october-30-2025\/' class='excerpt-more'>[&#8230;]<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":57901,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[35,3,5],"tags":[6355,4355,4362,4531,4167,4268,6798,6799,6674,6800],"class_list":["post-57899","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-open-thread","category-personal","category-politics","tag-abrego-garcia","tag-animals","tag-collusion","tag-dogs","tag-halloween","tag-insurrection","tag-paul-lance","tag-the-armed-forces","tag-unlawful-orders","tag-vindictive-prosecution","category-35-id","category-3-id","category-5-id","post-seq-1","post-parity-odd","meta-position-corners","fix"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/57899","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=57899"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/57899\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/57901"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=57899"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=57899"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=57899"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}