{"id":57810,"date":"2025-10-17T06:00:33","date_gmt":"2025-10-17T13:00:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/?p=57810"},"modified":"2025-10-16T19:35:14","modified_gmt":"2025-10-17T02:35:14","slug":"open-thread-october-17-2025","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/2025\/10\/17\/open-thread-october-17-2025\/","title":{"rendered":"Open Thread October 17 2025"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>On Wednesday, after posting, I found this link to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.newsweek.com\/full-list-young-republicans-involved-in-offensive-chats-10881250\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Newsweek<\/a> with all kinds of background information on those who were in the Young Republicans group chat. Also Wednesday, Cleveland&#8217;s &#8220;Burning River Brigade&#8221; posted this. (Its manifesto is at the YouTube site, and is also worth reading.)<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/QfkbTtfGGyU?si=TUQvV3F7qvvZF3p8\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Dan Froomkin of <a href=\"https:\/\/criticalread.substack.com\/p\/you-cant-cover-washington-accurately\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Press Watch<\/a> is definitely singing my song &#8211; although he left out one of the verses (the one on misogyny). But not knowing whether it&#8217;s more effective in the long run to get where we are going piecemeal or all at once &#8211; and suspecting that piecemeal may be more effective in the long run &#8211; I&#8217;m not really complaining, but just pointing that out.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.is\/qpFId\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Vanity Fair<\/a> has an excerpt from Virginia Roberts Giuffre&#8217;s memoir. It details her initial meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell, and some of what happened next.<\/p>\n<p>If you didn&#8217;t want to watch the video with Jack Smith I linked to yesterday, but are still curious about what Jack had to say, <a href=\"https:\/\/harrylitman.substack.com\/p\/ludicrous\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Harry Litman<\/a> has written his reaction to it here at the Talking Feds Substack. He doesn&#8217;t shy away from admitting how painful it is to be reminded of how it used to be compared to how it is now.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/F6SAe0ZeYXE?si=QFoHn5spg75HQGHF\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/SHFEySwl6rs?si=ZQtQYKU23XYIOX3-\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-57812\" src=\"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/blame.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"915\" height=\"693\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/blame.jpg 915w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/blame-300x227.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/blame-150x114.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/blame-768x582.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 915px) 100vw, 915px\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On Wednesday, after posting, I found this link to Newsweek with all kinds of background information on those who were in the Young Republicans group chat. Also Wednesday, Cleveland&#8217;s &#8220;Burning River Brigade&#8221; posted this. (Its manifesto is at the YouTube site, and is also worth reading.) Dan Froomkin of Press Watch is definitely singing my <a href='https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/2025\/10\/17\/open-thread-october-17-2025\/' class='excerpt-more'>[&#8230;]<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":57127,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[35,3,5],"tags":[4355,4531,6764,5246,3811,3748,4619,4813,4317,6762],"class_list":["post-57810","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-open-thread","category-personal","category-politics","tag-animals","tag-dogs","tag-epstein-victims","tag-jack-smith","tag-personal","tag-racism","tag-shutdown","tag-states","tag-the-economy","tag-young-republicans","category-35-id","category-3-id","category-5-id","post-seq-1","post-parity-odd","meta-position-corners","fix"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/57810","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=57810"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/57810\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/57127"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=57810"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=57810"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=57810"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}