{"id":53314,"date":"2023-10-12T05:59:52","date_gmt":"2023-10-12T12:59:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/?p=53314"},"modified":"2023-10-11T16:04:38","modified_gmt":"2023-10-11T23:04:38","slug":"open-thread-october-12-2023","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/2023\/10\/12\/open-thread-october-12-2023\/","title":{"rendered":"Open Thread October 12, 2023"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday, a little-known conversation from many years ago (which was recently quoted by Steve Schmidt) popped up in my mind to haunt me. I can&#8217;t say it any better then Steve did, so I&#8217;ll quote him: &#8220;There is an extraordinary account of a late night meeting that took place between FDR and Canadian Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King in the White House from Nigel Hamilton\u2019s \u201cFDR at War\u201c trilogy. The two leaders talked late into the night. King returned to his room and wrote down the details of the conversation. FDR outlined to King his vision for what would come after victory in World War II. He said something chilling from the perspective of 2023. He said that nothing lasts forever, and that included his vision for the future. He told King that he hoped it would endure for as long as everyone who was alive on the day the war was won was still alive. The youngest of those people are 77 years old today.&#8221; Well, I am 78, and I&#8217;m still here. So is Mitch, whio is a bit older. The rest of us who think here are younger (as was TC). I wish all of us long lives free of world war. Also yesterday, Steve Scalise defeated Jim Jordan to be the nominee for speaker. We shall see whether Republicans can come together on this or any nominee. Oh, and The New Yorker had an article on dizziness\/vertigo in their daily newsletter. I haven&#8217;t had any symptoms for months, but I &#8220;printed&#8221; it anyway (to my C drive for now &#8211; I&#8217;ll copy to a portable hard drive eventually.)<\/p>\n<p>Cartoon &#8211;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-53321\" src=\"https:\/\/www.7thstep.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/WhiteHouse.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"647\" height=\"520\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/WhiteHouse.jpg 647w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/WhiteHouse-300x241.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/WhiteHouse-150x121.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 647px) 100vw, 647px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Short Takes &#8211;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/violence-ready-militia-group-says-jan-6ers-are-idiots\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Daily Beast &#8211; \u2018Violence-Ready\u2019 Militia Group Says Jan. 6\u2019ers are Idiots<\/a><br \/>\nQuote &#8211; A male-only movement in the U.S. dressed up as a sports club catering to white men is taking over the right-wing social scene\u2014and promising some dangerous results&#8230;. The clubs advertise as sporting groups designated for white-only men, but their real objective, Ritzmann tells The New Abnormal, \u201cis to essentially train a white supremacist militia.\u201d&#8230; [Ritzmann] says \u201cDay X\u201d could look similar to the events at the Capitol on Jan. 6, but adds of the rioters, \u201cthey have [been] discussed as being a bunch of idiots who don\u2019t know how to storm a building properly. And they discuss this in a, let\u2019s say, indirect way, because they don\u2019t want law enforcement to focus on them.\u201d<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/violence-ready-militia-group-says-jan-6ers-are-idiots\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Click through for details<\/a>. The podcast the article references is also on the page,. and I listened to the whole thing so you wouldn&#8217;t have to. The part which expands on the artile starts at approximately 18:40 and ends at 36:35. I also encourage anyone who has not seen Rachel Maddow&#8217;s podcast &#8220;Ultra&#8221; to look it up (and everyone who has seen it to refresh their memory.) It was not easy then to bring America together to oppose fascism, and it won&#8217;t be easy now. When I said we needed Joe Biden to be another FDR this was not what I had in mind. But apparently, it comes with the territory.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.jefftiedrich.com\/p\/holy-shit-donald-trump-gave-classified\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Jeff Tiedrich &#8211; holy shit, Donald Trump gave classified Israeli intel to Putin \u2014 probably more than once<\/a><br \/>\nQuote &#8211; let\u2019s take a closer look at a thing I mentioned at the end of yesterday\u2019s post. Donald Trump fucking loves to collude with Russia. Trump desperately wants to be Vladimir\u2019s bestie. he does everything he can to stay in Putin\u2019s good graces. why? is it because Donny dreams of opening a Trump Tower in Moscow? is it something more insidious, like kompromat? in the end, it doesn\u2019t matter. what matters is that Donald Trump is a Russian asset.<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.jefftiedrich.com\/p\/holy-shit-donald-trump-gave-classified\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Click through for article.<\/a> Yes, Jeff has a pottymouth, but he tends to be accurate in both facts and interpretation.<\/p>\n<p>Food For Thought<br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-53320\" src=\"https:\/\/www.7thstep.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/Grestest.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"750\" height=\"510\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/Grestest.jpg 750w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/Grestest-300x204.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/Grestest-150x102.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-50380\" src=\"https:\/\/www.7thstep.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Steal.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"558\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Steal.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Steal-300x209.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Steal-150x105.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Steal-768x536.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday, a little-known conversation from many years ago (which was recently quoted by Steve Schmidt) popped up in my mind to haunt me. I can&#8217;t say it any better then Steve did, so I&#8217;ll quote him: &#8220;There is an extraordinary account of a late night meeting that took place between FDR and Canadian Prime Minister <a href='https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/2023\/10\/12\/open-thread-october-12-2023\/' class='excerpt-more'>[&#8230;]<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":50381,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[35,3,5],"tags":[3704,4392,3711,3734,3717,3838,5633,3777,3831],"class_list":["post-53314","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-open-thread","category-personal","category-politics","tag-cartoon","tag-fascism","tag-gop-crimes","tag-gop-hate","tag-gop-violence","tag-russia","tag-toxic-masculinity","tag-war","tag-world","category-35-id","category-3-id","category-5-id","post-seq-1","post-parity-odd","meta-position-corners","fix"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53314","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=53314"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53314\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/50381"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=53314"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=53314"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=53314"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}