{"id":53296,"date":"2023-10-10T06:00:39","date_gmt":"2023-10-10T13:00:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/?p=53296"},"modified":"2023-10-09T14:49:06","modified_gmt":"2023-10-09T21:49:06","slug":"open-thread-october-10-2023","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/2023\/10\/10\/open-thread-october-10-2023\/","title":{"rendered":"Open Thread October 10, 2023"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday being a holiday, the courts and everything else were closed, and in any case all eyes were on the Middle East. In that connection, I would say only that, just because a person belongs to a group which has actually, historically, been victimized (as opposed to, say, MAGAts, who who do a lot of whining but are no more victims than, oh, say American police union members) does not mean a person cannot be a jerk. Well, also, that pointing out that something a person is doing is morally questionable at best is not the same thing as calling that person an unmitigated moral degenerate. Screaming insults and accusations does not a conversation make. If I knew how to say that so that a substantial majority of humans would actually hear it, I definitely would. But I don&#8217;t. I do want to mention that Pat B.&#8217;s family has sustained a loss, and I don&#8217;t know, nor does she, how long she will be MIA, but it will be a while.<\/p>\n<p>Cartoon &#8211;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-53303\" src=\"https:\/\/www.7thstep.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/pankhurst.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"532\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/pankhurst.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/pankhurst-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/pankhurst-150x100.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/pankhurst-768x511.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Short Takes &#8211;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wonkette.com\/p\/nytimes-compares-conservatives-annoyed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Wonkette (Substack) &#8211; NYTimes Compares Conservatives Annoyed By Unhoused People To Parents Of Trans Kids Being Denied Healthcare<\/a><br \/>\nQuote &#8211; It\u2019s lovely that they are happy, that they feel safer, and that they are not annoying the good people of Portland with their bullshit. Couldn\u2019t be happier for them! But they\u2019re also entirely ridiculous. Troy is a rural town with a population of 15,000, while Portland is a bustling metropolis with a population of about 641,000. Obviously there would be more crime there. There would also be less crime in any town in Oregon with a population of 15,000, owing to the fact that there are just fewer people to do any crime. That\u2019s just math. In fact, it would likely be a lot more safe, as Missouri has the ninth highest violent crime rate in the nation, while Oregon ranks 36th. Troy is an exurb of St. Louis, the city with the highest crime rate in the United States. Portland? Portland has the 62nd highest crime rate of any city in the United States, even with all them liberal policies what so frightened the Huckinses. Oh, and St. Louis only has about a third of the population of Portland.<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.wonkette.com\/p\/nytimes-compares-conservatives-annoyed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Click through for article.<\/a> Today&#8217;s FFT is from this article, and IMO summarizes it well.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/thomaszimmer.substack.com\/p\/why-americas-elites-love-to-decry\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Thomas Zimmer (also Substack &#8211; sorry) &#8211; Why America\u2019s Elites Love to Decry \u201cPolarization\u201d<\/a><br \/>\nQuote &#8211; In the final third of the book, Klein himself emphasizes that we are not looking at a radicalization on both sides of the political spectrum. He emphasizes the difference between the Right, entirely focused on the interests and sensibilities of white conservatives, and a Democratic coalition that is much more diverse \u2013 ideologically, racially and ethnically, and in terms of cultural sensibilities: \u201cSorting has made Democrats more diverse and Republicans more homogeneous. As a result, appealing to Democrats requires appealing to a lot of different kinds of people with different interests.\u201d (p. 230) As a matter of fact, Klein sees Democrats as extremely resistant to political extremism due to this heterogeneity of their supporters: \u201cDemocrats,\u201d the author argues, \u201chave an immune system of diversity and democracy.\u201d (Why We&#8217;re Polarized, p. 229)<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/thomaszimmer.substack.com\/p\/why-americas-elites-love-to-decry\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Click through for full argument.<\/a> While I certainly feel polarized, in that I feel that MAGA lunacy is the polar opposite of my beliefs, he&#8217;s right. True polarization requires both sides to be &#8220;the same&#8221; but in opposite directions. And both sides are not the same.\u00a0 Not in any way.<\/p>\n<p>Food For Thought<br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-53302\" src=\"https:\/\/www.7thstep.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/aubade.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"750\" height=\"412\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/aubade.jpg 750w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/aubade-300x165.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/aubade-150x82.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 750px) 100vw, 750px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-50380\" src=\"https:\/\/www.7thstep.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Steal.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"558\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Steal.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Steal-300x209.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Steal-150x105.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/Steal-768x536.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday being a holiday, the courts and everything else were closed, and in any case all eyes were on the Middle East. In that connection, I would say only that, just because a person belongs to a group which has actually, historically, been victimized (as opposed to, say, MAGAts, who who do a lot of <a href='https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/2023\/10\/10\/open-thread-october-10-2023\/' class='excerpt-more'>[&#8230;]<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":50381,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[35,3,5],"tags":[3704,3734,3751,3866,5595,3831],"class_list":["post-53296","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-open-thread","category-personal","category-politics","tag-cartoon","tag-gop-hate","tag-gop-insanity","tag-history","tag-polarization","tag-world","category-35-id","category-3-id","category-5-id","post-seq-1","post-parity-odd","meta-position-corners","fix"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53296","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=53296"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53296\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/50381"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=53296"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=53296"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.politicsplus.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=53296"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}