May 162016
 

I’m quite busy today, as I needed another Lona Nap this morning, so please pardon my brevity.  My posting may be limited tomorrow, as I have to go out for labs for my pre-surgery physical.

Jig Zone Puzzle:

Today’s took me 4:49 (average 6:32).  To do it, click here.  How did you do?

Short Takes:

From NPR: If Democrats take back the Senate in 2016, they’ll likely have women to thank for it.

The party is likely to have at least six female nominees who are challenging Republican incumbents in their top-targeted states, helping them flip the four seats necessary to take back Senate control, if Democrats hold the White House.

And Democrats believe they have the perfect storm brewing to help them do that — likely the first female presidential nominee coupled with a probable GOP nominee who has a well-documented history of controversial remarks about women.

"With Donald Trump’s toxicity permeating the Republican Party, never has there been a better time for a slate of Democratic women who remain focused on issues rather than insults," said Marcy Stech of EMILY’s List, whose group helps recruit pro-abortion rights women to run for political office.

And if women win in these top-targeted races, they’re on pace to break the current record of 20 women in the Senate. If Democrats run the table, women could make up nearly a quarter of the upper chamber come January 2017.

A woman’s place is in the House, and in the Senate, and if we can’t have Bernie, in the White House.

From OPB: Voters in Oregon are going to the polls Tuesday to vote in their presidential primary along with a host of state and local races. But Oregonians aren’t actually going to the polls because all of the state’s 2.3 million voters get their ballots through the mail.

In a special election in 1996, Oregon Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden became the first person ever elected to Congress exclusively through a vote-by-mail election. He remains a big fan of the system, which the state adopted for all elections in 2000.

Wyden held a press conference this month at the Oregon State Capitol in Salem to announce a bill that would expand the system nationwide.

“We’re interested in taking the Oregon way, vote-by-mail, into precincts all across America,” he said.

Wyden’s proposal would require all federal elections to be held through the mail. States could still do as they please for state and local races. He’s tried expanding vote-by-mail before to no avail. But he said maybe this year will be different. Wyden points to reports of people standing in line for hours to cast ballots in presidential primaries.

Once again, Oregon leads the way. If the US adopts Sen. Wyden’s proposal, the nation will be better off due to voter convenience, and a paper record.

From PoliticusUSA: In a shameful display, MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough did his best to defend Donald Trump’s history of sexism, sexual harassment and misogyny that was uncovered by The New York Times…

…Here are some of the behaviors that Scarborough left out. Trump sexualized his then 16-year-old daughter by asking other men if she was hot. Trump made unwanted advances towards women. Trump engaged in inappropriate physical contact with women. The presumptive Republican nominee was revealed to have demonstrated a consistent pattern of sexual harassment towards women that he had the ability to exert authority or control over.

Barf Bag Alert!!

 

And MSNBC, the so-called librul network has 20 hours of Morning Jerk every week.

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May 132016
 

It’s George’s ankle and exam day.  I have to get gone.

Jig Zone Puzzle:

Today’s took me 3:07 (average 4:36).  To do it, click here.  How did you do?

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From Media Matters: Full Frontal’s Samantha Bee Details How "Crisis Pregnancy Centers Are An Illusion" And "A Complete Hustle"

Samantha Bee: "Crisis Pregnancy Centers May Look Sweet And Helpful, But They’re Really Full Of Toxic Bullshit"

 

BEEutifully done!

Women who vote Republican are like blacks that join the KKK!

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Wooo Hooo!!  I crossed your path!!

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May 062016
 

Yesterday I celebrated Cinco de Mayo by having a couple Burritos delivered.  Today I’m rushing to finish in time to go get George a new ankle.  It’s a hot humid day.

Jig Zone Puzzle:

Today’s took me 3:02 (average 5:08).  To do it, click here. How did you do?

Short Takes:

From Daily Kos: How do Republican women feel about Donald Trump as the likely presidential nominee for the Republican party?

 

On the other hand, some Republican women are so brainwashed, that they want to be kept the way Rump Dump wants them:

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From, NY Times: In an extraordinary rebuke of his party’s presumed nominee, Speaker Paul D. Ryan, the nation’s highest-ranking elected Republican, said Thursday that he was “not ready” to endorse Donald J. Trump for president.

Mr. Ryan’s announcement represented a split among Republicans not seen in at least a half century, and it came only two days after Mr. Trump said he would unify the party after essentially clinching the nomination with his victory in the Indiana primary.

A rejection, albeit temporary, from Lyin’ Ryan is a failure to top a VERY low bar!!

From Media Matters:News networks frequently use the word “controversial” to describe Donald Trump’s anti-Muslim and anti-Mexican comments, and it’s setting a dangerous precedent for the way the media talks about bigotry in American politics..

 

There’s nothing controversial about Rump Dump! Hid fascist hate mongering is just plain anti-American!!

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May 032016
 

Faux Noise never disappoints when it comes to the asinine, whether O'Lielly, Hannity or a host of others including Tantaros.  Read on!

         BARF BAG ALERT!!!!    BARF BAG ALERT!!!!     BARF BAG ALERT!!!!    BARF BAG ALERT!!!!

Frequent viewers of Fox News, and those who mock it for a living, have noticed a familiar face has gone missing this past week. Rumors abound as to what pushed "Outnumbered" co-host Andrea Tantaros off-air a day after the launch of her new anti-feminism book, Tied Up in Knots: How Getting What We Wanted Made Women Miserable. 

Whatever the reason, Fox News is certainly missing an element of entertainment in the form of daily doses of Tanta-rants, so to pacify your need for an IQ drop, we’ve compiled a list of some of the dumbest things Andrea Tantaros has ever said (which was only difficult because there was a ton of material to choose from). 

1. Tantaros says she would look "fabulous" on the food stamp diet.

During a discussion about food stamps on Fox Business, Tantaros suggested she would look amazing if she tried the food stamp challenge: eating on $133 a month.

“I should try it, because do you know how fabulous I’d look?” Tantaros said. “I’d be so skinny. I mean, the camera adds 10 pounds, it really does. I’d be looking great.”

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Click through for the other seven moments.  Tantaros is an insult to real women and the human race.

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Apr 162016
 

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Here is the eighty-fourth article in our Republicans on Parade series, featuring individuals who personify what the Republican Party has become. Today’s honoree is Governor and Presidential also ran, John KKKasich (R-OH). He is so honored for his Republican views on women’s role in society.

KKKasichAt a town hall in Watertown, Pennsylvania on Friday, a local college student asked Ohio Governor and presidential candidate John Kasich what he would do as president to make young women like her feel safer on campus. She cited what many consider a current epidemic of “violence, harassment and rape” at colleges and universities.

Kasich at first ignored the student’s question and turned to his staffer, joking that he had to go and didn’t want to miss his ride. He then suggested that all colleges offer victims of sexual assault “confidential reporting,” rape kits, and “the opportunity to be able to pursue justice after you have had some time to reflect on it all.” He concludes by telling the woman, a first-year at New York’s Saint Lawrence University: “I will give you one bit of advice. Don’t go to parties where there’s a lot of alcohol.”…

…The Democratic National Committee blasted Kasich for “blaming victims of sexual and domestic violence,” and noted, “It is no wonder women are turning away from the Republican field in huge numbers.”

 

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Barf Bag Alert!!

 

He actually sounded almost reasonable until the end, but this was not a case of simple misspeaking. Rachel Maddow covered his issues in much more detail.

KKKasich’s attitude on a woman’s place could not be clearer.

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Apr 152016
 
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It was a rough week.  I was truly challenged to limit myself to three stories and a reference in passing which really call for the efforts of the Greek Furies (Erinyes) to come and deal with them.  As a reminder, though no one really knows how many there were supposed to be, the three names we have are Alecto, Megaera, and Tisiphone. These roughly translate as "unceasing," "grudging," and "vengeful destruction."

Did you know that the CIA has a "Venture Capital Arm"?  I didn't, but I do now.  It's called In-Q-Tel.  You can read about it at its own website or on Wikipedia (probably less self-serving).  I'm sure it will surprise no one that this entity is investing in tools to mine technology such as cell phones and social media, but my eye was caught by a deal it has going with a skin care company.  Skin care?  WTF?

Yes, Skincential Sciences is getting funding from In-Q-Tel for a product they call "Clearista."  It is, or is based on, and I quote, "a patented technology that removes a thin outer layer of the skin, revealing unique biomarkers that can be used for a variety of diagnostic tests, including DNA collection."  It is, quote, "said to require only water, a special detergent, and a few brushes against the skin, making it a convenient option for restoring the glow of a youthful complexion — and a novel technique for gathering information about a person’s biochemistry."

Now, you may be wondering – I know I am – how in the world they expect to harvest this stuff in any way that is traceable to any particular person.  However – I have little faith in the CIA's ethics, but I have great faith in their ability to dream up ideas like harvesting DNA.

The names of several other firms funded by In-Q-Tel have come out this week, and if anyone decides to try to follow the money, you will find it is quite a Pandora's Box (I'm sure the Furies are familiar with those LOL).  The CIA, on its own and through In-Q-Tel, seems always to be messing with things that don't concern them.  It just never quits.  So I think, maybe Alecto, you might be the one to look into this.

And while we are speaking of spying and intrusion (and sometimes it seems that those are one and the same – a class action suit has been filed by the Michigan chapter of CAIR on behalf of 18 named plaintiffs and thousands of unnamed plaintiffs against the Terrorist Screening Center, which comes under the FBI.  One of the named plaintiffs – well, the court has his name but his identity is being protected – is a young man, an American citizen, now four, whose name was placed on the watch list when he was seven months old.  Numerous current and former employees of the Terrorist Screening Center are also individually named in the suit.  Apparently any one of us could get onto the list if someone is having a bad day and happens to see our names.  "No accountability" hardly seems to cover it, does it?  But I'm happy to let CAIR handle this for now.  We can always jump in later.

Now I have a situation in Arizona.  Seems their state Speaker of the House, David Gowan, has come up with a New Rule, as speakers are wont to do.  Under this rule, any reporter who wants access to the floor of the house will have to submit to a background check.  Anyone with certain offenses on their record will be disqualified from the floor of the house for up to ten years.

Quote: The new policy goes as far as to list specific offenses, including misdemeanor ones like trespassing, which automatically disqualify a reporter from being on the House floor for up to 10 years. That’s significant because misdemeanor trespass is an offense that Arizona Capitol Times reporter Hank Stephenson was convicted of following a bar fight a couple years ago.

Early this year, Stephenson wrote a piece scrutinizing Gowan’s use of a state vehicle during a 19-day period last October during which he logged nearly 4,800 miles of windshield time. Some of the events he traveled to were related to his congressional campaign, and using a state vehicle for that purpose is unlawful. Gowan has since reimbursed the state more than $12,000, and his is office is now under investigation by Arizona’s Attorney General for misuse of public resources.

And, as Hunter at Daily Kos says,

Yes, what ARE the odds that the only House reporter who seems to be disqualified by these new, very specific rules is the one whose reporting cost David Gowan $12,000 worth of free state vehicle time. It is uncanny, and so forth, and so on.

To their credit, state reporters are refusing to go along with the "background" checks, because there doesn't seem to be anyone in the state who really believes this is about anything other than David Gowan being peeved that reporters caught him doing something blatantly illegal.

That's vengeful indeed.  So, Tisiphone, this one's for you.

As I said, it's been a busy week, and I could give another voter ID story, but this story on a different subject just seemed so grudging I had to put it in for you, Megaera.  Readers Digest version:  "If you had an abortion in Missouri between 2010 and 2015, you’re on Missouri State Senator Kurt Schaefer’s hit list."

Schaefer (need I say he is a Republican?) is demanding that Planned Parenthood, and a St. Louis area pathologist, turn over to him all medical records of all women who had abortions in Missouri  between 2010 and 2015.  (Need I say this would be a blatant violation of HIPAA?)  Doesn't phase him.

He hasn't mentioned what he would do with the names if he got them, but I'm thinking suboenas to a House hearing, which would also result in publication, which would certainly resuly in shaming, if not harassment, if not dangerous physical violence.

Even the main stream media (in the form of the St. Louis Post Dispatch) says his demand is “…a thinly veiled effort to expose the identities of abortion patients as a means of shaming and discouraging other women from exercising their constitutional rights.”  But he is not backing down, and has managed to seduce or extort the Missouri Senate's Rules and Ethics committee to approve a resolution to compel Planned Parenthood's CEO to “appear before the whole Senate to explain why they should not be punished for failing to comply with the demand.”  (Spoiler: It's HIPAA, stupid) 

Did I mention he is running for Attorney General?

He has also threatened to hold her in contempt if she fails to produce the list he wants.  Personally, I think she would be rationally able to rejoin, "What a coincidence.  That's exactly how I feel about you."  But she probably has better manners than I do.  Besides getting him, Megaera, I hope you will have her back.  Many thanks.

The Furies and I will be back. 

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Apr 082016
 
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I was hoping to be able to give the Furies a week off this week. As it happens, I can't, but I can lighten the burden a little, in what I consider to be a most interesting way. As a reminder, though no one really knows how many there were supposed to be, the three names we have are Alecto, Megaera, and Tisiphone. These roughly translate as "unceasing," "grudging," and "vengeful destruction."

At least, ladies, you won't have to go to Indiana.  Or – have you already been there, and been holding training town halls?

As Jen Hayden says, "Indiana Governor Mike Pence recently signed bill HEA 1337 into law, making it one of the most intrusive and extreme laws governing women’s health in the United States….  It’s so extreme that many so-called “pro-life” Republicans refused to support it.  Indiana women aren’t taking this new attack on their healthcare lightly….  A group called "Periods for Pence" recently sprang up. They decided that if the governor was so interested in what is happening with their bodies, he deserved more frequent updates. The ladies of Indiana have been busy calling the governor’s office with details."

And here are some of the calls –

Me: "Good morning. I just wanted to call and let the good Governor know that I am still not pregnant, since he seems to be so worried about women's reproductive rights."
Irritated lady on the other end of the phone: "And can I get your name, please?"
Me: "Sure, it's Not Pregnant Laura."

Just got through to Governor Pence's office. (The operator must be on break.)
Me: Hi, is this the operator, or the Governor's office?
Them: Um, this is the office, but I am covering for the operator right now.
Me: "Oh, good. I need to get a message to the Governor that I am on day three of my period. My flow seems abnormally heavy, but my cramps are much better to–"
Them: (Seriously pissed and trying to keep their voice down, but not quite succeeding) MA'AM, WHAT IS IT THAT I CAN HELP YOU WITH? Me: Oh, I don't need your help, I just wanted to keep Governor Pence informed of my reproductive cycle, since he seems so concerned. Them: "Ugh." *click*

I called to let him know that I am a lesbian so I won't be needing an abortion (or legal protections, for that matter lol double whammy! Thanks, Pence!) also mentioned that I'm not currently menstruating but I might be ovulating.

Them: "Good Morning, Governor Pence's office"
Me: "Good Morning. I just wanted to inform the Governor that things seem to be drying up today. No babies seem to be up in there. Okay?"
Them: (Sounding strangely horrified and chipper at the same time) "Ma'am, can we have your name?"
Me: "Sure. It's Sue."
Them: "And your last name?"
Me: "Magina. That's M-A-G-I-N-A. It rhymes with–" Them: "I've got it."  *Click*

Someone from Pence's campaign literally just rang my doorbell, wanting to know if I was likely to vote republican or democrat in the upcoming election. I let him know that I wasn't sure, and that I'm going to be ovulating soon, and that I was unclear on whether or not I was legally required to fertilize the egg. He started cracking up.

Operator: Governor Mike Pence's Office, please hold…  >6 minutes later<   Operator: Governor Pence's office, thank you for waiting… Me: Hi, I'm a native Hoosier who derives from the uterus of another native Hoosier… Operator: >clears throat< Me: I now live in California and I'm wondering if my uterus still falls under the juridiction of Governor Pence or– ?  Operator: Please hold. >click<

Now that's a campaign I can get behind.

Unfortunately, not all the news is that good.  I still have a project for the Furies, as well as one situation they may need to keep an eye on for possible follow-up.  The project is in Australia, and it also has to do with gender, but with money instead of reproduction.

dinosaurSo, in Australia, at the University of Queensland, every semester they hold a Feminist Week with multiple events.  Two campus organizations collaborate on this – the Women's Collective, and the women's department of the student union.  This semester, the scheduled events included a seminar, a picnic, a movie screening, and a bake sale.

The bake sale, full title "Gender Pay Gap Bake Sale," was meant to generate discussion in a fun way about Australia's wage gap – or, really, wage gaps, because there are other factorsbesides gender which affect wages.  All cupcakes were base priced at $1.00.  A white, straight, abled man would pay $1.00 for one.  A white, straight, abled woman would pay 83¢ for one (a little more than in the US, where that figure would be 78¢).  A woman of color in the legal profession, however, would pay 55¢ for the same cupcake.

Sad to say, this fun event led not just to fun, but to on line accusations of "reverse sexism," denial of the existence of any pay gap, wistfully yearning for the "good ole days" when a good ole boy could "beat a woman with a stick," and miscellaneous threats of death, rape, and other sexual violence.  I said "on line," because that's where they were.  No one showed up to physically protest the actual sale.  {Not to trivialize cyberbullying, which is widespread and dangerous.)

The silver lining?

 “We have had a number of students contact us stating, ‘I didn’t believe feminism was still relevant until I started reading all the comments,’” said Madeline Price, vice president of gender and sexuality at the University of Queensland Student Union.

Most of the negative reactions seem to have been in one place, a Facebook group called UQ StalkerSpace.  I can't be the only one who wonders why a group with such a name is even allowed on Facebook, can I?  Granted, requiring it to be taken down would "upset" their tender fee-fees even more than currently, and could lead to acting out.  Dear Furies, I think you are the ones to educate this group and its members.

Finally, this situation in Texas is one to keep an eye on – yet no one should be holding his or her breath.  That's because the FBI is doing the investigating.  And I'm sure we all remember how long it took the FBI to hand down any kind of indictment for Cliven Bundy.  That's because they put a lot of time and effort into identifying both exactly what has happened (and can be proved) and also exactly what charge or charges are appropriate to the actual event.  And this IMO will lead to even more serious charges than Bundy's.

It seems there is a medical company in Frisco, TX named Novus Heath Care Services Inc., owned by a certified accountant named Brad Harris.  Some of the allegatons against Harris include that he "sent text messages like 'You need to make this patient go bye-bye,'" that he "told a nurse to overdose three patients and directed another employee to increase a patient’s medication to four times the maximum allowed," that he "told other health care executives over a lunch meeting that he wanted to 'find patients who would die within 24 hours,'" and that he "made comments like, 'if this f— would just die.'"

Leslie Salzillo, who wrote the story for Daily Kos, briefly explains how the laws are written so that statements like the above make perfect economic sense – if not ethical sense, or compassionate sense, or human sense, or avoiding-barf-bag sense.  She also points out it's important for a story like this to be republished widely.  But at the moment, what we probably need most to do is keep a watchful eye on the FBI (and HHS who are helping them) to see where the story goes.

Oh yes – one follow up – the 90 year old veteran in Wisconsin who was not allowed to vote – an email from the AFSCME informs me that before, before the Presidential primary, the Governor relented and ordered that veterans' ID cards be acceptable ID for the primary.  Thanks, Erinyes!

The Furies and I will be back. 

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Apr 082016
 

My new A/C is certainly powerful enough to cool my tiny place.  It’s also very loud, and the noise bothered me last night.  I’m sure I’ll get use to it, and after a night of three, I won’t even hear it.  I’m about to leave to go to PT with Courtney.  Later.  Back and pooped.  George needs an ankle adjustment.

Jig Zone Puzzle:

Today’s took me 2:48 (average 4:45).  To do it, click here.  How did you do?

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From The Guardian (H/T Daily Kos):A group of Polish women walk out of a church service to protest against a proposed tightening of the country’s abortion laws. The video, posted on Facebook, shows the women leaving as a priest reads out a letter in favour of the ban. In Warsaw, thousands of people have attended a pro-choice rally outside parliament, after the leader of the ruling party backed a call from Catholic bishops for a full ban on pregnancy terminations.

 

It looks like Poland has Republicans that hate women too!

From Daily Kos: In disappointing Tuesday news, the Wisconsin Supreme Court race went to Rebecca Bradley, a conservative. Bradley beat progressive candidate JoAnne Kloppenburg in the non-partisan election. Wisconsin residents are now stuck with Bradley for the next ten years.

It’s a sad end to an ugly race, and an ugly type of race at that. Judicial elections are rife with problems as a general matter—politics, bias, secret money, and low voter engagement, to name a few. But in Wisconsin the elections have been particularly grimy.

Bradley is so Republican, she makes Nancy Grace seem like a progressive. This is how she won.

From Media Matters: A Media Matters investigation of the discredited right-wing group Judicial Crisis Network (JCN), the main source of baseless smears against, and false characterizations of, Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland, reveals a familial web of self-dealing between the organization, a major dark money funder of JCN called the Wellspring Committee, and a third nonprofit that also receives funding from Wellspring.

 

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Nepotism’R’Us, Nepotism (R-US), or just plain Koch sucking?

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Apr 052016
 

Yesterday my CAT-Scan was uneventful.  I’m confident that it will show that my COPD is no worse, since I quit smoking last year.,  After all these month’s, however, I still get cravings that are both frequent and intense.  Then Lu came to use my phone and computer to deal with some of her issues.  I’m expecting her and her daughter today at Noon, both for my shower and to take my window A/C away.  I gave it to Lu, and she’s giving it to her daughter.  Tomorrow is a grocery delivery day.

Jig Zone Puzzle:

Today’s took me 3:15 (average 6:40).  To do it, click here.  How did you do?

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From The New Yorker: Attempting to repair some of the fallout from his recent remarks about women, Donald Trump said on Sunday that the decision of whether women should be considered humans should be left to the states.

“I wouldn’t want to tell Texas whether women are humans, for example,” he said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “They obviously have some very strong opinions about that.”

When asked point-blank whether he considered women humans, the billionaire responded, “It should be a case-by-case thing.”

Andy is doing news again. What Fecal Dump Trump does is express the thoughts that drive the policy of other Republican politicians and pundits.

From Daily Kos: If there’s anyone left in America that thinks Maine Governor Paul LePage is still fit to hold elected office, maintaining that position on a day-to-day basis must be quite the slog. Having won a special election on Tuesday, Susan Deschambault is the newest elected Democratic state senator in his state—or she would be, but Gov. Paul LePage has apparently locked himself in a closet and refuses to come out.

Deschambault was scheduled to be sworn in this morning before 9am, and has her family with her at the State House to witness the ceremony, but LePage’s spokesperson now says that won’t be happening because he’s mad about an unrelated vote in the Labor Committee against his nominee for labor representative to the Unemployment Insurance Commission.

Only one word is sufficiently vile to describe a person that governs in such a manner. LePage is a… Republican.

From Upworthy: Remember how companies used to market board games in the ’90s?

They were commercials filled with cheesy music, bad acting, and unrealistic expectations of how much fun you’d actually have playing the game. Last week, Comedy Central released its own board game commercial, promoting The Glass Ceiling game for girls. The hilarious parody video tackles those commercial hallmarks while hitting the girls in it with a harsh dose of grown-up reality about wage gaps and women in the workplace.

 

Sadly, it’s so accurate that disgust overwhelms the humor.

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Apr 032016
 

Almost every week, Republicans join a competition to see who can say the most outlandish things, and in the process, they push the envelope on just how lunatic InsaniTEA can become.  I trust that you will believe it, when I tell you that last week was no exception.

4. Religious right leaders are glad that the whole idea of punishing women for having abortions is now out in the open.

0403WoWAlthough Donald Trump has completed his 180 on the topic of making abortion illegal and making women who have one criminals, he sure got the religious right all hopped up about that possibility.

Pat Robertson seemed to struggle a bit with the issue. While he acknowledged that it seems “a bit draconian” to punish women, the fact is, “if somebody says abortion is murder, then what do you do to somebody who commits murder?”

Uncle Pat’s just asking. Just wondering. Just a little idle chitchatting.

Another right-wing charmer seemed much less perplexed about it. Jay Sekulow of the misleadingly named American Center for Law and Justice, a legal group Robertson founded, said if Roe v. Wade is overturned, states can just start making laws on how women can be punished! Yeehah!

RightWingWatch reported extensively on Sekulow’s comments if you’re game to get even more terrified…

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Behold the forgiving love of Republican Supply Side pseudo,Christians (the polar opposite of authentic Christians).  This is the fourth of five listed lunacies.  Click through tor the other four,

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