Aug 192013
 

There’s a plot afoot.  It’s really not even a plot.  It’s a full blown CONSPIRACY.  That Democrat Party is up to all manner of evil!  They want to take away your freedom!  They actually have the the bold-faced audacity to take away your right to pay or die, using the RepubliCare Death Benefit.  They want to institute single payer!  Oh the horror! ;-)

FoxPropHere’s another segment from Fox’s "business block" or as they like to call it, "The Cost of Freedom" where every Saturday, they continue to prove that they hate the working class, as our friends over at Media Matters discussed this weekend, they don’t know anything about the economy or what’s kept Americans out of poverty, and as they did in this segment from Cavuto’s show, they’d also like to dupe their viewers into believing that a single-payer health care system would be very bad for them.

Following Harry Reid’s statement this week that "Obamacare" or The Affordable Care Act, would eventually lead to the United States moving to a single-payer system and that it was a step in the right direction, the yappers over at Fox are yelling, conspiracy theory! Hah! We knew it all along that this was just a stealth plan to impose single-payer health care on the country! The horror!…

Inserted from <Crooks and Liars>

Here’s the video:

Update: click through to C&L for the video.  It seems that their new embed coding had a bug.

It’s no wonder that the Republican Reichsministry of Propaganda is reacting so badly to the mere mention of single payer health care. Look how much they hate the OTHER single payer plan: Medicare. BTW, that single payer plan has room for private insurance. It’s called Medicare Advantage. Their claim that single payer provides no real choice is a lie.  This is really just a means to fear monger over ObamaCare.

Share

  18 Responses to “Single Payer? Oh The Horror!”

  1. They just never stop lying, do they?  It seems to come to them as easily as breathing. 

  2. "It's going to increase costs" – Correction, It will reduce profits for these fat cats.

    We need to eliminate Death Panels – Health Insurance Company Claims Review Committees.

    Single Payer Yes…!

    • Totally agree – therein lies the big fear!

    • Isn't it amazing the difference in perspective makes!

      "It's going to increase costs" – Correction, It will reduce profits for these fat cats.

      The 'fat cats' automatically equate a reduction in profits with increased costs.  In this case however, it is all smoke and mirrors, greed to the max, a loss in profits that the 'fat cats' lament. 

    • Yeah!  Those fat cats are real dawgs!

  3. Republicans think giving a $5,000 voucher will cover the costs for everyone to go out and buy a private policy. Really? How about a 58 year old (not eligible for Medicare) who has crippling diabetes and will have to have a leg amputated? Will an insurance company cover that person unless forced to? Seems to me (in what ever way you prefer) health insurance should be taken off the back of businesses. That would give an important edge on global competition.

    • I agree, Steve, and have from the beginning. 

      The $5,000 would barely cover my out of pocket expences in Medicare Advanyage Premiums, Co-Pays, and the Donut Hole med costs.  Let alonre the federal portion of my Medicare.

      Your 58 year old would have two choices under the RepubliCare Death benefit: pay or die.

  4. McDowell:

    "…everybody already gets medical care in this country, that you can go to a hospital and get that very thing. The thing people disagree with is the government making all of their health care decisions in essence where you wind up with a financially unstable, untenable health care system and then the government will end up having to ration care. There are no two ways about it."

    Being a Canadian and having universal healthcare, I have to disagree with these charlatans,  Hospital emergency departments are just that: EMERGENCY departments.  They are not there as a front line preventative care provider.  They provide care for heart attacks, strokes, broken bones, injuries from car accidents etc — unexpected occurrences requiring immediate medical help, where specialists (ie cardiologists etc) can be called upon. 

    e·mer·gen·cy

      1. a sudden, urgent, usually unexpected occurrence or occasion requiring immediate action.

    The government does not make my medical decisions — that is between my doctor and me! Unfortunately, from what I have heard, that is exactly what US health insurance companies do though.  I heard of a person whose insurance company denied the treatment prescribed by the physician.  That person had to wait.  Six months later, the insurance company finally authorised the treatment because now the condition was critical.  That would not be an issue under Canada's universal care system.

    The government in the provinces do not ration care.  Cavuto, ever ignorant, said: 

    "… when it's just the government doing it, there goes choice. "  

    But think about this.  When a person is at the point where the insurance company says "No", they really have no choice like Cavuto says because now they have a pre-existing condition.  How will they get new insurance?

    I think that Charles Payne said it well as to what is MOST IMPORTANT in the American healthcare system, what the crux of the problem is:

    "And the prices are going to go up. The quality is going to go down. Innovation's going to be thrown out the window. I don't know, when people dis the private sector, they need to understand where we are as a nation, where we've come from, and it's because of the profit motivation, in my mind we're as healthy as we are…."

    Profit is not a motivator except to the few who care more about money than people.  There was an article on Care2 entitled "5 Shameful Ways  The United States is Leading the World (http://www.care2.com/causes/5-shameful-ways-the-united-states-is-leading-the-world.html). Of those 5, 3 involved healthcare.  Here is a list of some counties and what they spend on healthcare as a per centage of GDP (http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html)

    US 15.4%

    Switzerland 11.4%

    France 11.2%

    Germany 10.5%

    Canada 9.8%

    Denmark 9.5%

    Sweden 9.2%

    Norway 9.1%

    United Kingdom 8%

    Israel 7.8%

    Russia 5.6%

    China 4.7%

    These are figures from 2002 and they are obviously subject to change, but the US private system is more expensive than the social healthcare systems that most of the others enjoy.

    So you tell me, are prices going to go up, and quality down as Charles Payne says?  I don't think so.  And innovation? Innovation is about creativity in seeing things differently, in solving problems.  That is not the exclusive purview of the US fortunately.  And yes, it does take money, but it does not take profit. 

    In my view, healthcare should not be on a for profit basis.  It should be about people.  If you want to have elective cosmetic surgery as a for profit model, fine.  Fill your boots.  But when day-to-day healthcare is effectively denied to 30 million people, I call that akin to genocide.

    • Between 2002 and 2012, health care costs in the US skyrocked in comparison to other nations.  They are gradually starting to come down, necause ObamaCare now requires that  80% of what Big Insurance sharges im premiums bust be paid out in health care.

      Also, except in Russia and China, all the countries on your list get better care for that lower cost.

  5. lolTom Yes the horror.  I must also disagree that all Americans get Healthcare.  Yes you can go to the ER.  And it is not free someone pays for it.  What about the people who would not have to go to the ER if they had Healthcare.  Lol the republiansTea Party want just that control of our HC.  It's not the GOV who want control.  The Gov just want people to have HC

    • TYhis should say it all.  My recent hospital stay cost me $675 out of pocket, only because I have Medicare, with a good Medicare Advantage plan.  Otherwise, it would have cost me $39,000, and I'd be blogging from under a briudge.

  6. I just couldn't watch the whole video,it was making my blood pressure rise.

    My brother in law had a brain anuerysm five years ago.  He was in a coma for a month, then was moved to an intermediate facility. When he progressed there, he was sent to a rehab facility. After one month, his insurance company said he could no longer remain that he had to go home. His doctor said he needed at least six more weeks of rehab. No go.  My sister did not have the money to pay herself for him to stay.   The insurance co was losing money, of course.  If the doctors get to decide how long you need treatment, they will not be able to pay their ceo's their exorbatant bonuses.  He still has short term memory problems, who knows how well he would be if he had been able to have the full rehab?  This is one reason I fully support the Affordable Care act. 

  7. Isn't it marvelous how the conservatives are all for choice when it fits their agenda at the same time they are so adamantly against choice that they disagree with. When people are in need of healthcare, most don't give a damn about choosing where they get it, they just want access to a doctor they can afford.

    One point I haven't heard mentioned is the effect single payer healthcare would have on workers compensation costs. In most states, even companies that don't provide health insurance for their employees are required to carry workers comp insurance for work-related medical issues. It would be difficult to get statistics on how many times employees with no other access to health insurance try to pass off a non work-related illness or injury as an on-the-job occurrance so they can get the medical care they need, but it happens all too often. 

    OSHA estimates that nationwide, employers pay a billion dollars a week for direct workers compensation costs. That's a huge profit center for insurance companies and one they want to keep. 

    • RepubliSpeak DictionaryChoice: Doing what we choose to tell you to do.

      That's an excellent point, John.  Also, since single-payer woud drive down overall health care cost, the cost of that health care will fo down too.  But won't the fraud continue, because workmen's compensation also mays part of people's wages while they are out of work?

      • Tom,

        After I retired from the explosives business, I spent 12 years in occupational safety. Part of my duties included being the workers comp administrator, so I got an up close and personal look at a lot of cases. The cynical realist in me has to admit that a certain amount of fraud will always be with us, that's just the way some people operate, but I'm certain the incidence rate would go down significantly.